Two things:

1) R13--maybe not everyone is as passionate as you are on these subjects and/or don't have the time to spend looking up links just to prove you wrong. Instead of assuming people aren't smart enough to discuss the subject on it's own merits with their own ideas instead of a link's claim, maybe you should do more discussing and learning about the other person's opinion and formulating your own instead of parrotting whatever links you can find on the subject. It's great to be a researcher--which seems like your strong point, but independent thought doesn't seem like it's your strong point...maybe you should work on that.

Remember--just because someone doesn't have 10 links to back up what they're saying doesn't mean their opinion isn't valid and substantial based solely off of their own experiences, which is what you assume and profess everytime a subject is discussed. Posting several links that sources someone smarter than you or your fellow poster doesn't mean either of you are 100% right.

2) Everyone else--I've seen a bunch of claims on several threads about some counters to what R13 posts...mostly w/o backup. Dislike the guy all you want--but R13 does his homework. Instead of complaining, maybe do more research and have supporting documentation for your arguments. That would make discussions more substantive instead of opinion-driven, and maybe we'd all learn something.

In a nutshell--R13's trying too hard like this is a life or death political debate and he HAS to win it, and the rest of you are just having a passing conversation and get pissed when someone goes into it seriously.

Maybe R13 can learn something from everyone else here, and vice-versa. IF that happens (not that I have faith that it will), maybe we can have some more constructive and civil discussions in this particular part of the forum.